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Heaven Man Earth Taiji If it's BTDT i'm sorry!

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Posted 12 January 2008 - 10:34 AM

Anyone know the deal with these guys? There clips keep poping up on youtube.



I went to their site and as his teachers he has a collage of photos from Yang Lu chan, Yang Jianhou, Yang Chengfu and Zhen Manqing (What is the Pinyin for CMC?). It only says that the above photos are people that he either studied from or who have influensed him. Pretty sure he didn't study with Yang Luchan...i could be wrong however!

That said all the comments below his clips make him out to be amazing. undecided.gif
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 12:03 PM

he's got empty force skills too, i wouldn't worry too much
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 12:36 PM

ahh i missed the empty force skills...think that has just closed the book on it for me.
Why the hell do people pay good money for that sort of thing? And more to the point where can i meet them? I have a baby so need lots of cash!
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE (KiltedTaiji @ Jan 12 2008, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ahh i missed the empty force skills...think that has just closed the book on it for me.
Why the hell do people pay good money for that sort of thing? And more to the point where can i meet them? I have a baby so need lots of cash!


That is honestly some of the worst tai chi I have ever seen. Wow, this guys teaches?
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 03:59 PM

I'm not crazy about this kind of form, and I don't know anything about this guy, BUT I've seen much much worse than this guy. There maybe some superflous arm waving, and he could use some more leg strength, but certainly it's not as bad as some are saying.
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 04:33 PM

Hopefully it is possible to have Empty force skill and I'ma gona fuck you up skill at the same time grin.gif

These guys are from up north, down under. Brisbane I think. They are due to do a seminar in Sydney around the 16th of Feb. I'll be working that weekend but my sparring buddy will go check them out and pass on the skinny.
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Posted 12 January 2008 - 06:20 PM

QUOTE (Walk the Torque @ Jan 12 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hopefully it is possible to have Empty force skill and I'ma gona fuck you up skill at the same time grin.gif

These guys are from up north, down under. Brisbane I think. They are due to do a seminar in Sydney around the 16th of Feb. I'll be working that weekend but my sparring buddy will go check them out and pass on the skinny.


Tell him to spill a bottle of water over the guys head grin.gif
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Posted 13 January 2008 - 06:18 AM

QUOTE (KiltedTaiji @ Jan 12 2008, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone know the deal with these guys? There clips keep poping up on youtube.



I went to their site and as his teachers he has a collage of photos from Yang Lu chan, Yang Jianhou, Yang Chengfu and Zhen Manqing (What is the Pinyin for CMC?). It only says that the above photos are people that he either studied from or who have influensed him. Pretty sure he didn't study with Yang Luchan...i could be wrong however!

That said all the comments below his clips make him out to be amazing. undecided.gif

If You look closely at the collage, you will see his picture included in the GREAT masters

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 07:48 AM

he looks pretty young to have studied much with CMC let alone anyone older...
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 04:06 AM

QUOTE (Walk the Torque @ Jan 13 2008, 03:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hopefully it is possible to have Empty force skill and I'ma gona fuck you up skill at the same time grin.gif

These guys are from up north, down under. Brisbane I think. They are due to do a seminar in Sydney around the 16th of Feb. I'll be working that weekend but my sparring buddy will go check them out and pass on the skinny.


The seminar is on the 16th March. I always go into these things with as much of a positive attitude as i can - it is hard to tell from video. The seminar will be on "internal power" and not TJQ forms or specific techniques.
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 04:35 AM

I'm jealous of his practice environment
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 06:11 AM

QUOTE (D.S.White @ Jan 16 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The seminar is on the 16th March. I always go into these things with as much of a positive attitude as i can - it is hard to tell from video. The seminar will be on "internal power" and not TJQ forms or specific techniques.


As my teacher always says the form is the form the real test is in touching hands. So see if you can touch hands with him. The proof is in the pudding as it were.
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE (Walk the Torque @ Jan 13 2008, 03:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hopefully it is possible to have Empty force skill and I'ma gona fuck you up skill at the same time grin.gif

These guys are from up north, down under. Brisbane I think. They are due to do a seminar in Sydney around the 16th of Feb. I'll be working that weekend but my sparring buddy will go check them out and pass on the skinny.



how much is it? doubt i'll go anyways unless its super cheap. the guy doesnt appear to have any understanding of whole body movement, weight transfer or yin and yang. then again appearances can be deceiving. hmmm
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Posted 16 January 2008 - 12:43 PM

ahh i wanna go and see his empty force!


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Posted 17 January 2008 - 01:01 AM

QUOTE (Craig @ Jan 16 2008, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how much is it? doubt i'll go anyways unless its super cheap. the guy doesnt appear to have any understanding of whole body movement, weight transfer or yin and yang. then again appearances can be deceiving. hmmm


It is $100.00 for a whole day. One of the main reasons i am going is because one of my TCM students (who is a well rounded individual) says that his teacher knows his stuff. So perhaps the appearance is deceiving, for me, it is worth finding out.


The seminar ad says that it will focus on internal power (not so much forms and individual techniques) - this built my curiosity. I believe there will be multiple opportunities to cross hands. Should be interesting.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 01:08 AM

QUOTE (D.S.White @ Jan 17 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is $100.00 for a whole day. One of the main reasons i am going is because one of my TCM students (who is a well rounded individual) says that his teacher knows his stuff. So perhaps the appearance is deceiving, for me, it is worth finding out.


The seminar ad says that it will focus on internal power (not so much forms and individual techniques) - this built my curiosity. I believe there will be multiple opportunities to cross hands. Should be interesting.

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Well i dont know if its worth a trip from canberra so i might give it a miss this time. If you could let us know how it goes that would be awesome. (even better if you manage to tip a cup of water on his head tongue.gif)
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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:27 AM

For me, his push hands clips are impressive. He has a high level of taijiquan skills. I would definitely like the chance to meet up with him.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 06:05 AM

To me this looks strange
Two newish people(4 and 2 posts)are saying that it will be a good day and worth the money.
I dont believe its a coincidence
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Posted 17 January 2008 - 05:25 PM

I have lurked on the old forums when it was still at EF.com for a long time. I only bothered getting an account recently on this forum because I had to PM one of the regulars.
I don't post much because I try to post only about stuff I know, and then only when it might be useful.
I find it bad taste to disparage someone you haven't met in person (the only real way to gauge a person's skill), but to each his own.
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Posted 17 January 2008 - 11:23 PM

These guys certainly have mastered body as several fragmented units. That video sucked I'm afraid the alignment at best was poor, and the movemenets so broken.

Very dubious or at least poorly taught stuff.
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