[Chris McKinley]

How long do you think it will be before traditional CMA, and specifically IMA, have completely disappeared in the U.S. as viable, and just as importantly, credible, combat methodologies? Already happened? 1 yr? 2 yrs? 10 yrs? Longer?

[JuanM]

I don't think that they will ever really disappear. But then again, what do I know?

[Chris McKinley]

I didn't ask if they'll disappear. They'll be around for the foreseeable future if only for the hippie leftist Western culture-hating fucknuts as an outlet for their passive-aggressive vagination. I'm asking how long before they disappeared as viable combat methodologies. Different question entirely.

[ashe]

i think we're possibly the last generation.

i train my stuff very, very hard for results, and i have gotten quite far, but so far, i don't see anyone out of my small group of students that will go as far as i have (that could change of course).

i'm not holding my breath that any of my three kids will take up the art seriously, although my daughter likes to play sticky hands with me now, i imagine it will change when she's a teen.

and that's not even to say that i've really "got it" either, just that my ability to fully apply what i do know has gotten pretty good.

but the point is, we're fighting an uphill battle against all odds. it's a societal thing over all, not just the popularity of mma and televised events, etc.

my Sifu has complained for years that there's too many distractions like iPods and video games that are easier to indulge in, rather than eating bitter. as a result, the talent pool is severely depleted.

[Ian C Kuzushi]

Another problem is that many of us who do cma for wushu (traditional) also do non cma. People will then say that your fighting comes from the other art. Maybe some of it does, but it is bad for pure cma (but good for me!).

[JuanM]

I didn't ask if they'll disappear. They'll be around for the foreseeable future if only for the hippie leftist Western culture-hating fucknuts as an outlet for their passive-aggressive vagination. I'm asking how long before they disappeared as viable combat methodologies. Different question entirely.

I understood the question and I replied accordingly. I don't think that they'll ever really disappear in that form. Will there be more water downed stuff? Yes. Will the real stuff be harder to find? Yes. Will they ever completely disapper in that format? I don't believe so. There will always be a few people keeping them alive as viable combat methodologies.

[Chris McKinley]

Excellent retort. I'm glad you're so optimistic.

[BAI HE]

Chris, you been making bathtub gin up in them thar hills? You sound mighty or nery of late ....

[Alex]

In my opinion they generally disappeared as viable combat methodologies around 1920. Most people, myself probably included are clinging to all the additional shit that was created after when the focus shifted to health and CHI and the fairies.

On a more positive note though I think there are still enough smart people out there who will either work out how to discard all the additional baggage and/or discover new things about the traditional CMA or evolve the art into something else as has always happened.

[Chris McKinley]

Pete,

I heard the song "I Don't Care" by Kevin Meaney and it changed my worldview.

[ashe]

Most people, myself probably included are clinging to all the additional shit that was created after when the focus shifted to health and CHI and the fairies.

speak for yourself.

[BAI HE]

In my opinion they generally disappeared as viable combat methodologies around 1920. Most people, myself probably included are clinging to all the additional shit that was created after when the focus shifted to health and CHI and the fairies.

Never think that. I've felt things, physical terror that had nothing to do with chi or fairies from people going abot 10 % on me. When I say physical terror, I mean that you can feel something "Going" during a technique: ie : knee, spine, joint, etc.

In CMA. like any MA there are guys that can really do. You get to a certain level and some of these guys are demysified, then there are others who think? "Oh your catching on" and turn up the volume.

There are amazing CMA teachers out there. If you go see them? Then debunk them. Go see them two or three times and the recognize you? They know you as a guy and will probably beat you better and show you more.

[Tao Joannes]

I don't think they're going anywhere.

If anything, the ideas and methods will gain more and more acceptance by westerners and the systems will continue to improve.

[Harvey]

I'm not in the US but i experienced something the other day that frankly scared me. I've recently moved in with my GF and was checking out the local MA scene in the area and found a Taiji Community in the area. So i called up the teacher and chatted. She gives me the whole "We do Taiji for health" skit, like i do it coz i've got nothing better to do like, but she knows who my teacher is and everyone beats on him coz he teaches the Martial, oooh bad man.
So i show up at the class and kinda tag along a bit, they go thru a basic warm up, some qi-gong and then get all groupie for the forms bit, different levels in different parts of the room. This is were it goes all freaky, the guys who was teaching my group could do an approximation of the 24 step but his posture was WAAAAAAAAY off and he wasn't actually teaching anything just doin the form and letting everyone copy, not exactly helpful. At the end of the class i let the teacher know i would be more than happy to help out and show some extra stuff but got the we don't need your kind of help, i wasn't thinking of suddenly gettin all the old ladies sparing just some jibengong, standing and form correction but i'm the enemy and will ruin their little club.
So FUCK EM' I'm gonna start my own classes and teach what i was taught and let them crank their spines and destroy their knees not my problem.

[mix]

I absolutely love how Chris assumes that all leftist anti western fags don't do their martial arts with real conflict and results in mind.....


CMA may be going in either direction.
Look 10 years ago when mma just started coming on the scene. Many people believed that trad ma were dead. Now your seeing karate guys doing well in mma competitions, plus you have guys like the dog bro's who UFC would'nt even let compete because they were too hard core.
There are still lots of good CMA teachers out there and there are still lots of people eager to learn the fighting aspects of their art.
Gotta say that this thread really just rehashes the same old shit and honestly just sounds like bitching for bitchings sake.

[Juz]

..I'm still apologising for not being born Chinese...

[Harvey]

..I'm still apologising for not being born Chinese...

but trying hard to look Japanese

[Juz]

but trying hard to look Japanese

only when I'm coming...vinegar strokes anyone?

[Harvey]

Thank god you're a Vapors fan or that would have been a really short gag

[victoriliqchuan]

only when I'm coming...vinegar strokes anyone?

I'm a Chinese but dont not have much interested in it until I disagree with my Senpai who
bullshiting about his newly acquire training skill from Taikiken, the Japanese version of Yi Chuan Japan.


To proof my point, I surf as much chinese web to draw info and slowly got hooked up with YI Chuan Methology
and Mystical Standing Pole Theory& there after then I end up taking up ILC.

My Sifu in Malaysia Jimmy Heow had come down to such a conclusion that, now adays people only attracted
by BEAUTIFUL MOVE, STYLES, STUNT etc. But not the effectiveness n quality of the application.

cHEERS!