[silatboy]

I know I am new in the Chinese arts, so if people could explain somethings to me I would really appreciate it. I am sure this has been done a million times before, so apologies, I just have some specific questions.

Why is lineage so important? What do you get from a better lineage other than a more seasoned view of martial arts? At least in Silat, I have seen that most styles have many of the same drills and gurus, or they differ a little on the surface. Isn't this the same in CMA? I know every style has their own twist on things, but Sun Lu Tang wrote that there were 3 goals in internal martial arts, To protect yourself and others, to live a long life, and die quickly. So if someone can do those 3, why do people make a huge deal about lineage? A lineage won't protect you in a fight, so why the badmouthing?

I don't mean to be rude, I just see a lot of trash talking, and little helping people of other styles. Why are people so protective of training methods that won't help someone unless they are taught right, and practice hard? Like some Xingyi people were asking questions about Xin Yi on the old thread, and they were told to stay with their own material. I don't get that.

In the Silat I was lucky to learn, I heard that helping others was the best way to better yourself. If you make them better, they present a better training partner for you no matter what style they do. And I think the secrecy is bad for traditional arts anyways, if you only openly train with people of your own style, how good can you be against a MMA person for example?

Sorry to ramble a bit, I will have better questions when I get some feedback. Thanks a million.

Hormat
Chris

[silatboy]

Thanks for the reply, but I guess I meant teachers who learned from actual martial artists, not people who make their MA up. That obviously is bad. Except for me. I want to open the first samurai kung fu pukulan/cimande school, using the methods I learned from watching the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Lots of good techniques in the 1st and 2nd movies, not the third though

Hormat

[JuanM]

Hormat, how can I sign up for your school and become a ceritfied ninja turtle?

I agree about the secrecy in CMA sometimes it is ridiculous. But lineage basically serves to show that your shit is not fake. It will not protect you or give you any kind of super powers.

[silatboy]

LOL you silly mortal, you can't become a certified turtle, you have to mutate, and that automatically grants you a 496th degree black belt with pink polka dots. Poor CMA people don't even know that. So sad!

[silatboy]

Should have asked another question too. How can a movement be fake? I just learned Pi Chuan, and I am part of a lineage, but not a big name one. Are you talking about different aspects than the techniques? Thanks

Hormat
Chris

[silatboy]

Thanks Felipe, that makes some sense. But what about inter style sharing? I have heard that Dai style has some sick power generating, why not share that correctly with others so they could improve? The same question applies to other methods as well. Thanks for your time

Hormat

[Craig]

Thanks Felipe, that makes some sense. But what about inter style sharing? I have heard that Dai style has some sick power generating, why not share that correctly with others so they could improve? The same question applies to other methods as well. Thanks for your time

Hormat

interstyle sharing can be tricky as a lot of the concepts (especially at the beginning/intermediate level) will conflict. practicing 2 opposing methods at once can be detrimental. imho you are better off gaining a complete (or at least advanced) understanding of one before you try the other.

That said some styles dont conflict at all and work very well together. Also some styles are much more suited to certain body types than others. it all depends on what you think works best for you.

[silatboy]

Wow, thanks for the info, its a little more in depth than I thought. I guess I am coming from the perspective of not combining styles, but learning new attacks to create more options during self defense. But I think I see what you are talking about. I am learning Xingyi where the elements are used to learn how to power attacks along a angle, like Pi Chuan can be a palm to the head, but the same body movement can be used to power a down elbow, or a hammer fist. I think it's called Shen Fe? Seems like a good way to look at it, I have met some people that don't use Pi Chuan any other way than a full step and a palm, I don't get that, it's almost too big for quick self defense. Do other styles train how to use the elements with different steps and strikes? Thanks for the info. Have a great one.

Hormat
Chris

[Juz]

Do other styles train how to use the elements with different steps and strikes?
Hormat
Chris

From my understanding many Forms repeat elements with different steps and strikes, e.g. contrast single whip with walk obliquely in chen yi lu, or the punches at heart, groin etc..

as for lineage , well, prepare for a possible flame war...people get TOUCHY!

[Lay-Z]

Lineage is important because even though you, your teacher and your teacher's teacher can't fight, way back in your lineage was Ling The Dick-Kicker, who famously kicked a russian wreslter in the dick. His success then allows you to continue on with your training having faith that eventually, after many moons of practice you too might be able to kick a russian in the dick.

This post has been edited by Grumpy McBitcherton: 29 January 2008 - 05:46 PM

[qiphlow]

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[DeusTrismegistus]

My teacher has said that lineage is important because the knowledge has to be passed down from teacher to student through experience and feeling. If your teacher can't show you what a correct pi quan or grasping the swallows tail feels like (by doing it to you usually) then how can you know you are doing it right?

[mix]

Like it's my job to be the bad guy... pointing out the parasite's behavior?

I think I will pass.... I already told the leech to stay away from me please.

Fan, dude, I was joking.
No offense meant at all.
Can you honestly say that you've never joked around like that in the past?

[mix]

Erased the offensive post.
Sorry about that.

[Lay-Z]

Fan, dude, I was joking.
No offense meant at all.
Can you honestly say that you've never joked around like that in the past?

Of fucking course he's never joked. Joking is for pansies, bitches and faggots with uncomfortably large pimples on their asses.

Which of the above are you, motherfucker?

[qiphlow]

i must say i find ol' grumpy mcbitcherton really entertaining.