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Enclosed is a non-drill, non-choreographed use of the gim. Note the touch, the stab/penetration, and the slicing with the blade. Most notiable, watch for the footwork that allows mobility. Most other methods fight toe to toe not being able to attack from the flanks and from behind. Finally, look for the deception has the proponent turns his back and strikes with the sword.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=VZkrOZWI8OU
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Sword/gim finesse vs. whacking
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Posted 31 January 2008 - 10:56 PM
QUOTE (Joseph T. Oliva Arriola @ Jan 31 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Enclosed is a non-drill, non-choreographed use of the gim. Note the touch, the stab/penetration, and the slicing with the blade. Most notiable, watch for the footwork that allows mobility. Most other methods fight toe to toe not being able to attack from the flanks and from behind. Finally, look for the deception has the proponent turns his back and strikes with the sword.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=VZkrOZWI8OU
Sincerely,
Joseph T. Oliva Arriola
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=VZkrOZWI8OU
Sincerely,
Joseph T. Oliva Arriola
Agreed, it does not look choreographed; however, in many instances it does look as though the player in grey is directing movement (can't really say attack in slow mo demos can we) beside, rather than at, the player in red who has not yet evaded. The explanation in movement of a wide range of possibilities for the jian (gim) is nice; though a little systema looking, in that sometimes a player looks good only because they've ignored an error where they would have been disembowelled or given a large smile on their throat. Obviously in demos such as these it can be hard to show strength, as well as suppleness of wrist should heavy contact occur.
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Posted 31 January 2008 - 11:59 PM
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 04:57 AM
Guys.....hold on.......it's obviously a mistake........he has inadvertently put up footage of the guys warming up before the actual clip instead of the clip itself. That's why it looks like the worst possible sword clip, because it's not meant to be.....they're just waiting around for the director to yell "action!"
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 04:58 AM
Holy crap,
That is quite possibly the worst sword play video I have ever seen. I don't think words can quite express the loathe I have for the incompetence depicted in that video.
If that is supposed to be any representation of alleged blade combat skill it is irresponsible in the worst way.
For your students sake, I hope this was another one of your "jokes" intended upon getting a reaction.
That is quite possibly the worst sword play video I have ever seen. I don't think words can quite express the loathe I have for the incompetence depicted in that video.
If that is supposed to be any representation of alleged blade combat skill it is irresponsible in the worst way.
For your students sake, I hope this was another one of your "jokes" intended upon getting a reaction.
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 04:59 AM
Yes, yes.....they were of course playing Kung Fu Ninjas just horsing around before the actual filming was to begin.
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 05:03 AM
Exactly. The real clips always include "pows" to actual strikes in a 2.5:1 ratio.
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 05:06 AM
Relax, brothers.....Mr. Arriola will come along, realize the mistake, and put the real clip up for us any minute now.
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 05:13 AM
maybe a clip of a third eye gaping and closing might be more combat-oriented.
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 01:52 PM
Lets see your guys clips of sword play. Cmon show us what you got.
What I saw was two people practicing, they might not have been doing things real enough for you but that doesn't mean there is no value in the way they were practicing. People don't do something the way you think it should be done so it sucks; so no experimenting, no being creative no trying new things in your guys training?
What I saw was two people practicing, they might not have been doing things real enough for you but that doesn't mean there is no value in the way they were practicing. People don't do something the way you think it should be done so it sucks; so no experimenting, no being creative no trying new things in your guys training?
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 01:59 PM
The adept first learns the staff, then the broad sword and many many years later learns the gim/sword. Perhaps, the experts who have constructively criticized on the thread might like to show their own examples of someone using a real gim in a non-choreagraphed presentation.
1. Perhaps, they might go through their collection of tapes. Or scurry through youtube to give us examples of an expert. It would be good for all of us to see someone truly masterful that could use the gim in actual "swordfighting".
2. In the meantime, the following shows the accuracy that can be attained with the gim without killing someone. Perhaps, some of the naysayers should pick up a gim and try the following exercise. Try specifically, the neck slices and the stabs to the body. Though, you should probably have your opponent where armor and googles. Certainly, if you are a martial arts instructor make sure your liability insurance is paid more. When you have done so from experience, please please post again.
gim accuracy: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=7HT3skN_u1s
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1. Perhaps, they might go through their collection of tapes. Or scurry through youtube to give us examples of an expert. It would be good for all of us to see someone truly masterful that could use the gim in actual "swordfighting".
2. In the meantime, the following shows the accuracy that can be attained with the gim without killing someone. Perhaps, some of the naysayers should pick up a gim and try the following exercise. Try specifically, the neck slices and the stabs to the body. Though, you should probably have your opponent where armor and googles. Certainly, if you are a martial arts instructor make sure your liability insurance is paid more. When you have done so from experience, please please post again.
gim accuracy: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=7HT3skN_u1s
Sincerely
Joseph T. Oliva Arriola
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 03:03 PM
QUOTE (Phuc Dat Bish @ Feb 1 2008, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone who has ever sparred with swords knows that is not how sword fights happen at all.
Have you sparred with swords? I'm not talking about bashing? Great...I'm dying to be taught by you. Have you tried the exercise I put up?
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 03:25 PM
QUOTE (Joseph T. Oliva Arriola @ Feb 1 2008, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2. In the meantime, the following shows the accuracy that can be attained with the gim without killing someone. Perhaps, some of the naysayers should pick up a gim and try the following exercise. Try specifically, the neck slices and the stabs to the body. Though, you should probably have your opponent where armor and googles. Certainly, if you are a martial arts instructor make sure your liability insurance is paid more. When you have done so from experience, please please post again.
gim accuracy: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=7HT3skN_u1s
Sincerely
Joseph T. Oliva Arriola
gim accuracy: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=7HT3skN_u1s
Sincerely
Joseph T. Oliva Arriola
Mr. Arriola,
The first bagua style I studied (Park Bok-Nam's) had extensive empty-hand training before weapons work was taught,
and since I didn't gt the martial results I wanted from the emptyhand I never learned weapons from that lineage, but
rather from my FMA teachers.
One thing that I heard while in that system/school of CMA was what jian/gim training often utilized target practice..
like small rings hung on strings that had to be "threaded" with the jian blade and so forth. How useful do you find
this sort of "target practice" style apparatus training.. and if it's useful.. perhaps you could tell us/show us something
in this vein.
(btw I don't really work the jian/gim.. I'm more of a big hack/big chop saber kinda guy from the Largo Mano FMAs,
or else short thrust-driven knives, Tres Puntos and Floro/Shivworks style linear pikal attacks).
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 03:29 PM
QUOTE (Phuc Dat Bish @ Feb 1 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone who has ever sparred with swords knows that is not how sword fights happen at all.
Some people are entitled by their previous contributions on a subject to be listened to
with respect, even if they are presently "giving someone the business".
Some people are entitled by their willingness to show video to be listened to with
respect, even if their methods or attitudes may not always meet with the best reception.
You don't really fall into either category. Perhaps you can put up some video of you sword
sparring with Stier eh? Show us how it's done Phuc Dat.
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Posted 01 February 2008 - 03:51 PM
Hi Joseph,
I think you have some good stuff there (familiarity with weapons, etc.) - it does seem that there is a strong FMA influence, though, perhaps? The methods do look somewhat different from more typical CMA weapon usage, I think (although it may simply be a style thing)...
I think you have some good stuff there (familiarity with weapons, etc.) - it does seem that there is a strong FMA influence, though, perhaps? The methods do look somewhat different from more typical CMA weapon usage, I think (although it may simply be a style thing)...