[Yusuf Cornholio]

wtfs going on with all the hate...? is it that time of the month

[Tao Joannes]

I dunno man, people just love to hate, I guess.

[Bär]

EF FAQ - the very bottom entry - Yusuf's right

[cerebus]

Spring fever....

[josh]

The big question... are we on track for the EF Summer of Challenges™ II?

This post has been edited by josh: 17 March 2008 - 11:44 PM

[J.C.]

I've bit my tongue about this for long enough.

There are some disruptive people who have stirred up a remarkable amount of bad blood here. Some of them should have been banned when they first got here, but have now nestled in rather firmly. Their actions, coupled with the, I'm sorry to say, as of late, hands-off, absentee approach to moderation, has really alienated a lot of old timers to the point that they take out the frustration on each other more than on the disruptive elements.

Felipe is tired. Fong is nowhere to be found. Asura is gone. DDV hasn't moderated in years. XXXXX.... well I have my own opinion about that. This board needs fresh moderation/admin staff.


I've said my bit. Back to biting my tongue.


NOTE: AND NO, SHAWN, I AM NOT NOMINATING MYSELF.

[Tao Joannes]

Personally, if any of the mods feels it necessary at any time to smack me down, feel free to send a PM and I'll see what I can do to check it or whatever. I should be working soon enough and won't have time to be as much of an annoyance to ya'll anyhow.

It's a great resource, and I'm sure most of the folks here would be fun to get beat up by in person, if not in text.

[Uatu the Watcher the Ed]

It's a tough job, and pretty hard to find a good balance (when do you let things go? And when do you lock threads/ban users?). I'm also not sure that anyone can learn how to get that "sixth sense" to discover trolls before they even post...

[cerebus]

Ask Mr. Arriola if he feels that the moderation has been lacking....

[Chris McKinley]

Uatu the Watcher the Ed,

Finding that balance is not just about knowing when to drop the ban hammer or not. It's also about providing the far less severe everyday moderation that is so completely lacking on this board. I'm not talking about having to be even as drastic as locking a thread, but merely posting reminders of general board etiquette. Acting as the conscience of the forum. This forum is completely amoral in that regard.


AS A SEPARATE POINT,

This board has too little overall moderation. Too little quality control. Way too much freedom of speech for a private forum. The board is infected with political correctness to the point where absolute raw noobs are pontificating to multi-decade senior experts. Everyone's opinion is considered equal....AND THAT IS A BAD THING! We're not talking about the public right in the United States to express one's views as one sees fit. In a given field of human endeavor, it is false to assert by fiat or by social norm that everyone's opinion is equally valid. There ought to be a gentlemen's agreement, not a hard and fast rule, that on this board, if you want to "run with the big dogs", so to speak, you ought to first be held to account to staying on the porch for a while first. There are too many unmoderated raw noobs coming on here and starting on day one to talk shit to everyone, including to "correct" the opinions of long timers. Such overtolerance breeds a very disrespectful and low-quality board, and the entropy of quality information begins to set in. This is what is happening to EF right now.

Moderators, get your shit together and do your damn job, or find someone who will. Otherwise, in a matter of months this, the finest CMA board on the entire internet, could lose its prestigious standing, both in numbers and in quality and there will no one to blame but yourselves. It's hard enough to find long-time, dedicated, quality posters on any forum, let alone one as narrowly niched as ours. Noobs aren't worth the pixels they're printed on. The choice is easy.

[Interloper]

Ask Mr. Arriola if he feels that the moderation has been lacking....

That doofus is now posting his "Charlie's Angels" knife fighting crap over on AikiWeb. The forum owner hasn't caught on to him yet.

[Bär]

That doofus is now posting his "Charlie's Angels" knife fighting crap over on AikiWeb. The forum owner hasn't caught on to him yet.

Instead of pow pow papapa pow does he say "Sabrina! Cover me!"?

[Ben]

Uatu the Watcher the Ed,

Finding that balance is not just about knowing when to drop the ban hammer or not. It's also about providing the far less severe everyday moderation that is so completely lacking on this board. I'm not talking about having to be even as drastic as locking a thread, but merely posting reminders of general board etiquette. Acting as the conscience of the forum. This forum is completely amoral in that regard.


AS A SEPARATE POINT,

This board has too little overall moderation. Too little quality control. Way too much freedom of speech for a private forum. The board is infected with political correctness to the point where absolute raw noobs are pontificating to multi-decade senior experts. Everyone's opinion is considered equal....AND THAT IS A BAD THING! We're not talking about the public right in the United States to express one's views as one sees fit. In a given field of human endeavor, it is false to assert by fiat or by social norm that everyone's opinion is equally valid. There ought to be a gentlemen's agreement, not a hard and fast rule, that on this board, if you want to "run with the big dogs", so to speak, you ought to first be held to account to staying on the porch for a while first. There are too many unmoderated raw noobs coming on here and starting on day one to talk shit to everyone, including to "correct" the opinions of long timers. Such overtolerance breeds a very disrespectful and low-quality board, and the entropy of quality information begins to set in. This is what is happening to EF right now.

Moderators, get your shit together and do your damn job, or find someone who will. Otherwise, in a matter of months this, the finest CMA board on the entire internet, could lose its prestigious standing, both in numbers and in quality and there will no one to blame but yourselves. It's hard enough to find long-time, dedicated, quality posters on any forum, let alone one as narrowly niched as ours. Noobs aren't worth the pixels they're printed on. The choice is easy.

I agree, a friendly "you guys take it easy or take it to PMs(or else)" would go a long way to making things more civil.

On your second point, Unless everyone has to post a martial history (and even then) its going to be hard to know who's qualified to give advise. Posting here for a long time isn't necessarily the best way to determine who's qualified.

[yun]

Over the years I've participated in many internet forums. I'd say that Felipe is perhaps the best moderator I've encountered. Maybe he should write a book on how to be a proper forum moderator. That said, I believe him when he says he's getting tired. Who wouldn't? This is a very busy forum. I don't believe any one person can keep up. More impartial moderators are definitely needed.

What I want to write is a request to "play nice," but it's not entirely what's needed. Basically, it's respect that's needed. Respect for Chinese Martial Arts. Be honest with yourself enough to realize that you don't know the answer or accept that another forum member may know more. Be happy for earnest criticism but don't be harsh in that which you offer. If we don't have personal honesty, we can't hope to improve our own practice not to mention CMA. Have some Wu De in posting and not just in your everyday life.

I realize I'm writing a utopia here. But, here is what I think would help get there:
1) proper honest introduction as first post. mandatory <oops - I haven't done that on new EF>
2) new forum members should have seriously restricted rights to create new threads and write posts to existing threads
3) everyone - try to write relevant posts in the main forums.
4) realize we all want to improve and are working towards that aim. aim not to tear someone down but to build them up through honest, but kind criticism
5) take that criticism in the spirit intended
6) be honest. don't write things you're basically BSing about

Ok - this stuff won't happen. Obviously I like EF as is enough to stick around, but those would be improvements in my opinion.