[yak]

You're an asshole, and I'm a grandmaster and your shit's fake!



Now that there's no moderator, I can say and do whatever I want! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You think Ten was a jackass?!?!?!!! Wait'll you see MY posts from now on....

[Darthwing Teorist]

Fuck it guys. What makes this board live, it's the fine balance between freedom and moderation. I'm telling you from personal experience.

If you didn't try moderating, you don't know what it means. Too much moderation and you lose diversity and interest. Too little and you get kids destroying the place and its credibility. Have you seen any of this here? Not so far, and I hope it stays this way.

[Interloper]

I wonder whether any of those complaining about the moderators, have actually contributed monetarily to eF?

This post has been edited by Interloper: 18 March 2008 - 03:04 AM

[cerebus]

I gotta say. Those who came up with the "mods aren't doing their job" stuff seem not to realize that this isn't their "job" (a job pays the bills). They're doing this for free on their own time...

[Arthur Watley]

You know...

Most of the crap here is internal. A bunch of FULLY GROWN MEN who squabble like a pack of old ladies.

Brian, Marin, Bruce, Shawn et al.

Nobody cares about your problems.

If you don't like each other, don't talk to each other

If you don't like each other, don't talk to each other

Or have a conference chat. I don't care. Just sort your problems out like adults for once.

[Interloper]

You know...

Most of the crap here is internal. A bunch of FULLY GROWN MEN who squabble like a pack of old ladies.

Brian, Marin, Bruce, Shawn et al.

Nobody cares about your problems.

If you don't like each other, don't talk to each other

If you don't like each other, don't talk to each other

Or have a conference chat. I don't care. Just sort your problems out like adults for once.

Old ladies are much more civil. They've seen too much of life to let the small stuff get to them. It's more a bunch of FULLY GROWN MEN squabbling like 3rd-grade boys on the playground.

This post has been edited by Interloper: 18 March 2008 - 03:12 AM

[yak]

Old ladies are much more civil. They've seen too much of life to let the small stuff get to them. It's more a bunch of FULLY GROWN MEN squabbling like 3rd-grade boys on the playground. ;)

I am rubber, you are glue....









OH, DAyumn! In your FACE, Interloper!!!

[Darthwing Teorist]

Just sort your problems out like adults for once.

Forearm smashing contest!!!

[internalenthusiast]

i think felipe has done a great job as moderator. he's informed, passionate, and impartial.

plus he's put a great deal of time in--and has ESP about trolls.

i think the amount of trust and respect that he's won among the denizens of this board is remarkable.

i think this is partly because, as passionate and involved as he is in his art, he has no ax to grind, and
treats people, experienced or newb, with respect. as long as they aren't here to troll.

best to all...

ps: i would have posted this on one of the more pertinent threads, but they seem to be locked.

This post has been edited by internalenthusiast: 18 March 2008 - 03:17 AM

[yak]

I just noticed that all the other topics about admins have been locked, so c'mon, guys, don't derail this thread. I'm trying to be an asshole so the new mods can ban me to show everyone they're serious, and I don't want it to get locked before I can really showcase what an ass I am. Seriously. I'm an ass. Look at my profile picture....

[Darthwing Teorist]

I just noticed that all the other topics about admins have been locked, so c'mon, guys, don't derail this thread. I'm trying to be an asshole so the new mods can ban me to show everyone they're serious, and I don't want it to get locked before I can really showcase what an ass I am. Seriously. I'm an ass. Look at my profile picture....

Dude, if you're really serious about getting banned, just change your name to Zac and voila! Instant banning (temporary only, though).



I think it's high time that Zac got banned again. What say you all?

[Interloper]

I am rubber, you are glue....



OH, DAyumn! In your FACE, Interloper!!!

Good thing I had my annual cootie booster shot before logging on, BHasslerâ„¢.

[Darthwing Teorist]

This seems appropriate:

[Wuyizidi]

You know...

Most of the crap here is internal. A bunch of FULLY GROWN MEN who squabble like a pack of old ladies.

Brian, Marin, Bruce, Shawn et al.

Nobody cares about your problems.

If you don't like each other, don't talk to each other

If you don't like each other, don't talk to each other

Or have a conference chat. I don't care. Just sort your problems out like adults for once.

I really don't understand what's so evil about the ignoring list, or the simple act of not responding to things that annoys us. Isn't that what we do in the real life? if what someone says feel true, interesting to us, we listen to it more. We talk to that person more. If we think it's wrong, boring, or the person annoys us, we turn away and ignore that person. We are under no moral or ethical obligation to devote our very limited time continuing listening, reading, or talking to that person.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not our time (if they want us to listen to them, they have to give us reasons to do so). In the real world, no one is branded intolerant for this. That's a classic example of free market for ideas. Our ideas lives or dies based on its own merit, as collectively judged by the people.

Isn't it ironic that people who rail against "political correctness" equate ignoring opinions in this reasonable, real-world manner as being intolerant (are there worse crimes in "political correctness"?). Similarly, some who hold themselves to be defenders of modern conservative ideals are opposed to this type of free, open discussion. Those who accuse others of disrespect starts threads that says "you suck, now tell me why". And those who pride themselves as being part of democratic society don't want to practice it in a discussion forum. Newbies, they say, should show deference and not talk so much, they should know their place and listen to their elders, whose opinions matters more. Well, who decides who are the worthies? Me, you, a small group of old timers at EF?

If something is true, it doesn't matter who says it right? Same for when something is wrong.

So let's keep it simple and let this forum be like the real world: if someone is really annoying or plain wrong, ignore him. Don't feed the troll. Sooner or later he's going to get the message. And if he doesn't, and his continuing presence on the board intimidates, discourages, and disrupts this free exchange of ideas, the mods can alway ban him.

Of course there are people who are too narrow-minded, who ignores so much that they are actually ignorant. That's their loss. But there's no mechanism we can institute that can forcibly change that is there?

Wuyizidi

[JuanM]

I think I missed something. Can someone summarize (sp?) the origins of this thread. Why are there no more moderators and why are they not doing their jobs?

[JuanM]

Wait, Felipe is really quitting? Who was the ass (asses?) that pissed him off?

[Chanchu]

The RSF was the last link to the golden days of fun filled of EF....
yep, best moderator EVER.


"' kept the integrity of this forum alive." Yep yes he did....



St. Sooty will send him a vision- giving him the guidence he needs to make the right move.

[Arthur Watley]

Unfortunately, a board in which everyone is ignoring everyone else will not be a good future, nor an interesting one.

By the same token, the idea that simply leaving people to their own devices will convince to stop anything or change, is inherently unrealistic. Firstly, this underestimates the persistence of some people and their needs, and second, they will never really be left to themselves. Always, someone will support them and continue to give them attention, such that this equation will never even exist.

If anyone wants to have standards, it's going to require a more hands on approach than that. That is my opinion.

That's all well and good, Marin, but anyone who wants to see the type of fiasco you, Brian, Shawn, Bruce et al. engage in on a near monthly basis can head over to Shawn's paochui thread and decide whether that shit is worth it or not.

I mean you're all stand up guys, but when you get together... it's truly pathetic.

[cerebus]

Personally, I think Felipe has earned a break. I envision the new EF as being like the Old West. We can all have at each other until someone with Mod Power ™ like Felipe decides to kick some ass... just 'cause he feels like it. And no one will know what happened unless Felipe or whoever massacred the mo-fo's feels like saying that they did it. That might actually work better. Police yourself. If you get outta line, maybe you'll find yourself banned. You PM the ones who you know have Ban Power ™, but they just say "wasn't me". Oh well, you're screwed...

[Snow]

I haven't been posting much lately, but this has really pissed me off. When it gets out of hand with personal insults, Felipe has always stepped in to tone it down or call for sending it to PM. He's done a great job without ever getting too heavy-handed, which would be the kiss of death for entertaining discussions. The clashes of bitchy/egotastic personalities and contradicting opinions are part of the fun--I don't come here for instruction.

The high horses in the WTF thread are really fucking tired. As far as noobs disrespecting their "seniors," that's a bunch of bullshit. This is not a school with seniors and juniors in clear relation. I don't need a moderator to tell me whose opinion to take seriously and whose to take with a huge grain of salt. Some noobs have been great members right away, some not. Same with the old guard. If you can't bear to have a noob disagreeing with you, then I would suggest you're not all that secure in yourself. You think people can't see who is talking out their ass? You need a moderator to reinforce your position of authority? I completely, completely disagree. As has been said before by others, this isn't a school, it's a pub. And it's the best MA pub on the Internet, thanks in very large part to Felipe.

Well, good luck to the new mods. Looks like a good group of people.