[Royal Dragon]

I had a good discussion going about this on the old forum, so now that we have the combat sports & San Shou forum, I thought this would be a great thread to reignite!!

So how many of you, with a TCMA background, have fought in MMA?


If you have not fought, who do you know of that has?

And most importantly, what style was used and how did you do?

I am of the premis that TCMA players would really clean up in MMA with the right coaching. I think there will come a day when we will own the sport. It's juts now, I don't think there have been too many TCMA guys who fight MMA. Although, from the rough survey the last time I posted a thread like this, there are quite a bit more TCMA guys fighting MMA than it seems...especially internal players.

Discuss!

This post has been edited by Royal Dragon: 31 March 2008 - 12:18 AM

[Enrique]

I had a good discussion going about this on the old forum, so now that we have the combat sports & San Shou forum, I thought this would be a great thread to reignite!!

So how many of you with a TCMA background have fought in MMA?


If you have not fought, who do you know of that has?

And most importantly, what style was used and how did you do?

I am of the premis that TCMA players would really clean up in MMA with the right coaching. I think there will come a day when we will own the sport. It's juts now, I don't think there have been too many TCMA guys who fight MMA. Although, from the rough survey the last time I posted a thread like this, there are quite a bit more TCMA guys fighting MMA than it seems...especially internal players.

Discuss!

No MMA yet due to injuries but San Da yes and working on the MMA thing as we speak. It requires a lot of time to learn the ins and outs of MMA to be ready also..

[Enrique]

More importantly why do you think CMA would clean house? CMA is no end all be all to striking it's no better than any other stand up art it's all personal preference I think you are letting Le's victory get to your head.

[Royal Dragon]

Because most MMA people strike for shit. The over all premis is to have just enough striking skills to set up a take down opportunity.

Kung Fu on the other hand has very highly developed striking, but also has to deal with throws and take downs, so a lot of take down defense is already built into the art.

Kung Fu is a unified striking, locking, throwing methodology that is totally unorthodox to todays environment. No one is prepared to deal with those types of tactics and strategies.

Also, as I have been saying for some time, because MMA is SO BJJ geared, and the striking skills are so horrible over all, those who do have great striking skills are naturally rising to the top as it is. You see peoel doing this with just a good takedown defense to stay out of the ground arena, and basic ground training to escape if they find themselves there.

Kung Fu accross it's many styles has an over all methodology towards fighting that would capitalize on the MMA environment in a major way.

As I remember form the last time I did a thread like this, a lot of TCMA people were reporting back that they had fought in MMA events and did well. Also many knew others with the same experience...many of which were Taiji Quan players.

I think this would be a great place for everyone TCMA trained to talk about thier MMA fights, and how they did, how they trained for it, and how they used thier TCMA during thier fight. I suspect that it would be a very interesting topic..it was a good one on the old forum, and still active when we closed it and moved here.

This post has been edited by Royal Dragon: 30 March 2008 - 06:42 PM

[Enrique]

You realize MMA rules now favor the striker right and Muay thai guys train for all aspects of striking too. And most kung fu guys can't strike for shit TBH. Even the san shou fighters lack striking prowess they are take down artists, but most of them can't handle the take downs of a good wrestler. When I see San Shou fighters punch I fucking cringe.

This post has been edited by Enrique: 30 March 2008 - 06:51 PM

[Royal Dragon]

You realize MMA rules now favor the striker right and Muay thai guys train for all aspects of striking too.

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No, Muy Tai trains for "IT'S" striking paradime. There are whole other dimensions that TCMA's have that are not in Muy Tai. There is superior angling in the footwork for example, better positioning.


And most kung fu guys can't strike for shit TBH. Even the san shou fighters lack striking prowess they are take down artists, but most of them can't handle the take downs of a good wrestler. When I see San Shou fighters punch I fucking cringe.

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They are way better than MMA strikers on the whole though. Kung Fu has all the tools needed to dominate, the techniques are there, the defenses are there and the tactics & methodology is there...it's only a matter of time before the coaching rises to the needed level. And that is really the problem right now. TCMA does not seem to have the coaching quality for MMA. It's mostly geared for San Shou fights.

However, the guys who responded to my last thread in the old forum all seemed to do well when they fought MMA, so it's more a matter of time before the TCMA world rises to the top. We just need to see some more hungry fighters, and more San Shou fighters entering MMA.

This post has been edited by Royal Dragon: 30 March 2008 - 07:23 PM

[Enrique]

Your statement on Muay Thai proves you don't know shit. Some people are not meant for combat sports you are one of those people.

[Royal Dragon]

Muy Thai is not a full rounded striking style. It is good in IT'S arena just like anything else. The tools to defete it are all found in the TCMA systems.

Also, you really don't see real Muy Thai in MMA anyway, you see some sort of abridged, modified version. It's a shadow of what it is in Thailand. MMA Muy Thai sucks just as much as all the rest of MMA striking does.

This post has been edited by Royal Dragon: 30 March 2008 - 07:35 PM

[Royal Dragon]

Anyway, this thread is about TCMA people fighting in MMA, not the merits of Muy Thai. Lets keep it on topic.

[JuanM]

I personally think that any striking art mixed with a wrestling/submission art should do well.

I disagree with your assessment that MMA strikers strike for shit. Most train in either boxing or MT several hours per day. We have a few MMA guys in our MT gym that are extemely good stikers. The best way to make such an assessment is not from watching fights on television but going to an MMA gym and asking to spar with someone but striking only, no ground stuff or throws. THen you will see if indeed an MMA guy strikes for shit.

[Royal Dragon]

I rarely ever see good striking in MMA, and the few that can are at the top, or rising quickly.

If I go to an MMA gym and fight striking only, I would still bet I could go to a BOXING gym after and find people whos skill level makes them [MMA] look like sloppy amatures.

You want to see good striking, go look at K1 or San Shou.

[Enrique]

Muy Thai is not a full rounded striking style. It is good in IT'S arena just like anything else. The tools to defete it are all found in the TCMA systems.

Also, you really don't see real Muy Thai in MMA anyway, you see some sort of abridged, modified version. It's a shadow of what it is in Thailand. MMA Muy Thai sucks just as much as all the rest of MMA striking does.

Sityodtong disagrees. Your opinion is invalid, good day to you sir.

[Royal Dragon]

I personally think that any striking art mixed with a wrestling/submission art should do well.

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I agree. I have said for a long time that a TCMA just needs some basic BJJ in case he finds himself down on his back.

[cerebus]

Actually, I'd say that most MMA fighters probably have much better hitting ability than most CMA practitioners. It's not that CMA people CAN'T develop good abilities for fighting in the MMA ring, but most of them don't try.

If I had the chance to fight some MMA matches in my area without it costing too much, I'd love to give it a try, but not 'til after the Lei Tai this Summer.

[Royal Dragon]

Actually, I'd say that most MMA fighters probably have much better hitting ability than most CMA practitioners. It's not that CMA people CAN'T develop good abilities for fighting in the MMA ring, but most of them don't try.

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That is just a coaching issue I think. The tools are defenetly there.




If I had the chance to fight some MMA matches in my area without it costing too much, I'd love to give it a try, but not 'til after the Lei Tai this Summer.

Reply]
I agree. I think it is best to get good at our own venues first. There is ample opportunities to get solid experience in the Chinese venues. Later going to MMA is just a matter of adding the ground defense aspect. This way you can enter MMA with true TCMA fighting experiance rather than conforming to thier paradime.

[Aksijaha]

I agree. I think it is best to get good at our own venues first. There is ample opportunities to get solid experience in the Chinese venues. Later going to MMA is just a matter of adding the ground defense aspect. This way you can enter MMA with true TCMA fighting experiance rather than conforming to thier paradime.

The profound level of your ignorance is astounding. I can imagine which will be more pathetic...
you continuing to bleat like someone who knows something yet doesn't actually compete..
or you walking into a cage and getting your ass handed to you thinly sliced on a platter with
golden duck sauce.

You really need a reality check. I'd advise you to go challenge some MMA people (actual competitors)
to a "striking only" spar.

That should educate you. Take pictures of your face after you wake up and post them.

[Royal Dragon]

Here is the thing, by fighting in the TCMA events FIRST, you get to hone your TCMA skills to a more competitive level. That way when you go to MMA, you can still fight like a TCMA and be successful.

If you go direct to MMA, and you don't even have sufficient skills in your style you are just going to get pounded. Why even bother at that point? You might as well go do MMA from the start. At least then no one will hold you up as the premium example of all TCMA despite being an inexperienced noobie followed by endless humiliating attacks at your expense.

This thread is not about turning MMA, and fighting in the cage as an MMA, it's about a *TCMA* fighting in MMA events with real TCMA skills. You need to be a competent TCMA in order to do that. That does not happen in a vaccume. You need to come up in a solid TCMA environment for that.

If one wants to TRULY use thier skills in competition, they need to progressively hone thier own skills so they are functional FIRST. There is no better way to do that, in a TCMA fashion, than in a TCMA environment.

Also, don't start going off insulting me, and calling me ignorant, especially since you don't seem to even have a clue as to what I am talking about. I am looking to recreate the thread we had going on the OLD Emptyflower, not start another mindless attacking flame war.

We had a really good discussion on this at the old forum. I'd like to pick up where we left off, not degrade into some stupid Bullshido style slugfeast with MMA nutriders (Which is exactly where this is going).

This post has been edited by Royal Dragon: 30 March 2008 - 11:21 PM

[Royal Dragon]

You really need a reality check. I'd advise you to go challenge some MMA people (actual competitors)
to a "striking only" spar.

That should educate you. Take pictures of your face after you wake up and post them.

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Also, I have fought pure strikers before. I don't need an education. I can already hold my own. I don't need your holier than thou, condescending attitude either.

This post has been edited by Royal Dragon: 30 March 2008 - 11:25 PM

[Royal Dragon]

Look at it this way, all these MMA types that came up in MMA environments fight like all the other MMA people. CUNG LE on the other hand came up in a San Shou environment, got mad skills there and now he not only enters MMA, but he takes TITLE BELTS fighting his own way.

Why? Because he came up in an environment that allowed him to develop his skills, his way, to a very high level BEFORE coming to an MMA environment.

This post has been edited by Royal Dragon: 30 March 2008 - 11:26 PM

[Arthur Watley]

Golden duck sauce. heheh