[GrahamB]

XingYi 5 Element Fighting clip - just done off the cuff, not particularly well, but it's ok I guess.

This is one of the main training tools we use to learn to use the 5 element fists freely. It's not a fixed form, it's 'free', but you are restricted to using only techiques from the 5 Elements. I find it really useful, and it's good fun too.

Some schools seem to call this "XingYi push hands", but since there's no "push" involved I think that's probably a moden term used to convey a sense of what you're doing because everybody know what Tai Chi push hands is.

This post has been edited by Parasite .V.: 03 April 2008 - 04:11 PM

[pra1982]

Not bad stuff all in all.

My orignal post was a bit too critical me thinks I've edited it out.

This post has been edited by pra1982: 03 April 2008 - 11:19 PM

[GrahamB]

That's cool Pra, I know it's not that good compared to some To be honest, he's not really up to going free, so it's hard to do stuff and I feel mean punching him all the time, but maybe that's the wrong way - cruel to be kind and all that

[pra1982]

everyone has someone better than them wouldn't worry about comparing to others. It's actually very nice on some areas just needs polishing up in other areas.

I know what you mean about hitting people, hit them too often and they can give up, don't hit them enough and they become delusional. In my experience the more you get hit the more you learn. (i.e. how not to get hit )

[Tao Joannes]

We've got a set of sensitivity drills that help when building up to this sort of thing. You basically stand stationary and have one partner feed pressure in certain ways while the other responds with the (or an) appropriate element.

[Tigershape]

I think you will get more shots in and better defense if you keep your elbows hugging the ribs. Pretend your hands are in a small box in front of you and they can't cross outside of the lines. It keeps your blocks from flowing too far out. Also really work your Drilling fist as an attack and a block/bridge. It works great, and keeps you protected. Martin LaPlatney uses it all the time from what I hear, and it is great. I really like the theory you are working on though, most schools wouldn't think like that, good on you!

[Josealb]

Graham, you know i usually stick to making sarcastic comments about your clips or your opinions, and im sorry for that. Ill stop doing that.
Im going to be honest with you.

Tadzio was right.

[Nianfong]

hey... the clip's no longer available....

[Lion]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=YXplfYDSfpg

[Rikimaru]

According to me,
You do wrong in the way you exchange strike.
Way too much block/attack/block/attack/block/attack left arm block right punch right block left punch and there on.
A "good block" in Xing Yi, is a counter-attack.
The motion of a beng, zuan an even heng can (needs to?) be used for blocking(Drilling) and attacking, with the same arm at the same single motion.
So i guess that if there's any way to make usefuls Xing Yi Punch Hands; never forget to use the fighting principe. Make it slow but make it well. Keep the structure.

This post has been edited by Rikimaru: 03 April 2008 - 08:52 PM

[Nianfong]

why is it so... limp wristed? I've never seen a pi quan so limp. even a monkey form is more whipping. And the pao quan's block is also pretty limp.

[GrahamB]

Hi,

I've removed the video. When I posted this video I didn't think there would be so many adverse reactions. Rather than try and hold back the rising tide and explain what's going on point by point, rebuttal by rebuttal, I just think it's easier for me to take it down. It's clear (to me at least) that a lot of people here are not familiar with this type of training and understand its nuances.

This type of exercise is not meant to look like proper 'full-on' complete XingYi. It's a co-operative 2-person exercise in which you take turns attacking, in the same spirit as Tai Chi's push hands is, although the methods are different. By mutual agreement the power can be removed from the strikes, if that's what you want to work on, since that can help promote 'flow'. That's what we were doing in the clip.

Thanks for you time. Now go watch my push hands clip, because at least you seem to like that

.V.

This post has been edited by Parasite .V.: 03 April 2008 - 09:56 PM

[Josealb]

Ah, an act of valediction. Very V of you.

You were going to post another clip of you, why did you remove the link? Ill post it for you, if you're going to be shy about it.

[pra1982]

I don't know why people are being so critical, it was okay for beginners Xing yi. Its only wu xing anyway.

From training with Graham I can vouch that his Xing yi isn't limp.

I know that the video showed only an exercise, my orignal reply was critical but i hoped to think it was constructive critism rather than some of the crap others have posted.

In xing yi there are a thosand ways to train this is one of them. Wu XIng is primarily a traingin exercise rather than competition so in a way no contact and working on movement is one way to do things, at some point you have to up the ante and start commiting in order to make things dificult for the other guy, this helps you learn. From trainign with G I know he can do this (and more) but the clip doesn't do him justice.

As for his lianhuan video which someone else posted up, this is a better representation of his use of Xing yi.

[I-Mon]

i would have liked to see the clip. seems like the pushhands one is gone too?

[bruce]

dont be bothered by the negative comments. everyone see things differently ...

[Tigershape]

Hey, I said I liked the idea and complimented them on their practices. I didn't mean to be rude by posting my ideas, I suck enough that anyone could just tell me to shut up and I wouldn't have a rebuttal. Propers for putting up vids, hope you keep doing it!

[GrahamB]

I don't know why people are being so critical, it was okay for beginners Xing yi. Its only wu xing anyway.

From training with Graham I can vouch that his Xing yi isn't limp.

I know that the video showed only an exercise, my orignal reply was critical but i hoped to think it was constructive critism rather than some of the crap others have posted.

In xing yi there are a thosand ways to train this is one of them. Wu XIng is primarily a traingin exercise rather than competition so in a way no contact and working on movement is one way to do things, at some point you have to up the ante and start commiting in order to make things dificult for the other guy, this helps you learn. From trainign with G I know he can do this (and more) but the clip doesn't do him justice.

As for his lianhuan video which someone else posted up, this is a better representation of his use of Xing yi.

No problem Paul. You made some good points on the video, but I can see the way this thread is going, and the hassle was outweighing the benefits.

The guy I'm doing it with just backs off whenever I go in strong - the other 2 minutes of footage is all off-camera because of that. I was trying to go easy on him to keep him in the centre of the shot, which obviously people have jumped on. I guess I need to find somebody better to film with

Tigershape, don't worry we're cool. When you've posted on this forum as long as I have you get enemies - they snipe and make sarcastic comments at anything you do, regardless of what it actually is. I generally ignore their posts, but it's sometimes it's easier not to give them an excuse.

[GrahamB]

Ah, an act of valediction. Very V of you.

You were going to post another clip of you, why did you remove the link?

Essentially, because you're a XXXX. Sorry to be so forthright, but we might as well say it like it is. Apologies for the language, but I looked long and hard in the dictionary, and it was still the best one.

No offence meant. Obviously.

This post has been edited by GrahamB: 09 April 2008 - 11:38 AM