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#1 User is offline   Chen Brazil 

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 10:27 PM

I get a kick out of these no touch videos. They always use their own students for the demos. Do you think these guys are for real? Is it possible, or is it just trickery, brainwashing, etc.?








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#2 User is offline   Mike B 

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 04:38 PM

I've seen many demos by Mr. Ota. In both vids, the guys who he demos on are not his students, but challengers. In the first one, at his school/dojo/whatever, the first guy who comes up was supposed to be a Korean TKD guy, who had heard about him or maybe had seen him on some vid, and came to challenge him or test him out. On the third clip, he (supposedly) has doubters from the audience come up and applies his emptyforce/whatever on them. Of course, he also does the same thing on his students in many other clips. He doesn't shy away from challengers, though, according to what I've seen in the past, and so most of his clips are not of his students, but of those who want to see if what he does is real or not. He teaches up in the San Francisco area somewhere, but I don't know much of anything about him. I always enjoyed the vids, though.

My wife used to rent these vids as they came out at the local Japanese video store. As I don't speak much Nihongo, myself, she would translate them for me. I'd post many more clips, including some of Chinese qi gong masters vs Japanese scientists and martial artists, "ki" masters, etc., but they erase the disks after they've rented them out for a while and record new tv programming over them. I can't say whether the guy is for real or not; just commenting on what I've seen, and most of it years ago. The Chinese guys that come to this show, btw, have always beaten their Japanese rivals, even with one "qi power fight" resulting in some broken vertebrae for the Japanese doubter/challenger. I should state, btw, that I believe that some people can "hypnotize" large groups of people, and that maybe something like this is going on so as to affect the "challengers" who he has his way with.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 06:08 PM

I still think this "empty force" stuff needs active volunteers. I've never seen it work on an individual that did not "want it to work". I do think there is some value in gaining sensitivity by some of the "empty force" training methods.

My 2 cents.

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 08:42 PM

Mike:

No offense, but who is your source for your above info re the reality of empty force? Are you seriuosly suggesting that this master has mystical power than can move people around without touching them...or even break their vertebrae from afar?

Someone once tried empty force on me - it did not work (not even a twinge), though I very willingly stood there for a couple of minutes in teh hope of sometthing happening. His admiring students fell around all over the shop, though. Funnily enough, the guy was also very good at conventional MA, so would not have to rely on his EF in a real situation, which I think is very fortunate. We all know the story abuot Dan Docherty and the EF master at Southampton University. And Chen Brazil has kindly posted the clip of the kiai master being embarrassed by a real challenger. (According to a poster at the RSF, said master still practices and teaches his ridiculous 'system.' You can take a horse to water, but...)

I keep an open mind, but I do not for one moment believe in the reality of EF on someone who does not want EF to be used on him/her. Such skills strain all knowledge of science, not to mention credibility. This guy seems to like the publicity: I am sure if he really had the skilll he claims, scientists and researchers from all over the world would be clamouring to get at him, in the hopes of a Nobel.

Until such incredible alleged skills (we may as well call them magic at this point) are conclusively proven, I remain a sceptic - Japanese wives, light entertainment Japanese TV shows and YouTube clips notwithstanding.
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Posted 05 September 2009 - 01:34 AM

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 02:03 AM

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 06:49 AM

Wow, pretty silly.

Also pretty BTDT.

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There, I have just used lin kong jin to move this tread without touching it! Kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyaaaaaaaaa!
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